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go to hermitage relived and welcome to this special one hour edition of "wall street week," the program that analyzes the week that was and positions you for the week ahead. i'm maria bartiromo, happy holidays, merry christmas, thank you for joining us. back in october, i was honored to go on an historic trip to saudi arabia to interview the future king crown prince muhammad bin salman. it was an exclusive global financial forum featuring the biggest names from across the globe. two weeks after the conference,
the crown prince arrested dozens of princes, top officials, including well-known billionaire as part of a sweeping anti-corruption probe. crown prince, his royal highness, prince muhammad made a historic statement to me at the conference which you will hear coming up in the program. also on today's program. technology billionaire steve schwarzman, carlyle group david rubenstein and paul farley and kick it off with treasury secretary steven mnuchin. this is what he told me before that. >> very excited with the progress on tax reform, as you know, something we've been working on since the beginning of the year, we have the budget passed with reconciliation instructions, we expect the bill to come out very quickly and get this to the president to sign this year. >> could you live with this bill without eliminating the
state and local tax deduction? >> i think the two most important issues that the president is focused on is the 20% corporate rate to make our business competitive and a middle-income tax cut. that's what is driving this and we're focused on. maria: so in other words, you want to make sure to eliminate that deduction? because that deduction hits the middle class, doesn't it? >> fundamentally as i said before, we think it's the right thing to get the federal government out of subsidizing the states. having said that, the priority for the president is the middle-income tax cut, and we want to make sure whatever we end up with, there's a real tax cut there, and we don't have middle-income people paying higher taxes because of the way we've changed the system. maria: hypothetically speaking, you could actually put a cap in place, whereas if you make 300,000 or $400,000 or below, you can actually deduct it, but if you make anywhere above that number, you won't be able to
deduct it? >> i'm not going to get into the hypotheticals. maria: i'm trying to write the bill here. >> thank you for helping. [ laughter ] >> okay, sure. >> this is discussed realtime in both committees, at treasury, we're working with the committees, running lots of numbers, making sure whatever we do can be paid for and make sure this gets passed. i'm confident we'll have this in the next week or two. maria: we will be watching when that bill is written and what happens next. let me ask but the budget because obviously this budget was half a trillion dollars over spending, next budget in 19 looking half a trillion dollars over spending. from your standpoint, when does it become a priority to start getting your arms around the debt? i know people have been saying how do you pay for the tax plan? you push back saying we got to get growth, jobs and that will pay for it. when do you start saying we need to put a knife to the entitlements. we need to start pulling in our
spending? >> maria, our focus right now, as you know, is growing the economy. and despite what certain people have said about my assumptions, it's factual, if we get an extra 1% gdp, which we think is doable, an extra $2.5 trillion. it's a lot of money and in that scenario, we'll pay down the debt. that's what we're focused on. growing the economy, that's the number one thing we need to do right now. maria: 1% moving gdp equals $2.5 trillion. that's a big number. >> a huge number. maria: and i know the president is talking about that. you got the dems pushing back, this morning, senate minority leader chuck schumer is waging a war of words. >> i was shocked he'd be saying this about me or any secretary of the treasury, and i restrained myself, and look, it's factual, if we get the growth, it will pay down the debt. we can debate whether we get the growth or not. i was surprised at his
comments. maria: i'm reading it right here, he told politico, i don't know if the man is deliberately lying, it seems so. his statements are outlandish and seems to -- i don't know if i'm allowed to use this word, i think i am -- suckup to trump. your response? >> maria, i've been working with the president for the last two years during the campaign. i've known the president for 15 years. i'm focused on economic growth. what's good for the middle class, what's good for business, what's good for creating jobs. what the democrats need to realize, is they're telling us that's what they want also, we'll work with them on these issues. >> when i interviewed the president last week, i asked him this question as well, are you getting bullied by this. they have a war of words with you. they are telling politico about you, questioning whether or not you are lying. we knew what the talking points were going to be, even before the plan came out, we knew the left was going to say this is a
tax cut for the rich. did you get bullied into coming up with the idea, you need another higher bracket, you want to raise taxes on the highest earners and say no, we're going to take this deduction away? is that why you have all of the ideas to make sure to stick it to the highest earners? >> maria not at all. the president doesn't get bullied and i don't get bullied. these are sound principles that we've been working on, as i said, both during the campaign and all year with the senate and house leadership, and if we come up with an extra bracket, it's all about creating a larger middle income tax cut, and as the president has said, he's not looking to lower taxes on the rich. we're not necessarily looking to raise taxes on the rich, but the focus here is middle-income tax cut, and we've been consistent on that all along. anybody who says there is inconsistency, i don't know what they've been reading. >> therein lies the issue, what's rich? let's talk about that for a second.
the highest bracket is a million dollars earnings and up? or what? >> maria, that hasn't been decided. the issue is if we get rid of state and local taxes, it impacts different states differently, okay? senator schumer has been complaining about this since the beginning of the year, and i understand it would be a 600-basis-point increase in taxes on new york, california, new jersey and those states, and we're sympathetic to the economy. we're working through these issues. maria: much more of the special edition of "wall street week." secretary mnuchin fighting off terrorism by choke off their money, that's coming up. >> coming up on "wall street week," innovation in saudi arabia. his royal highness prince muhammad bin salman building a $5 billion mega city. it is putting billions of dollars to work in the u.s. through a blackstone
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. maria: welcome back to the special edition of "wall street week." we're bringing you the highlights from the historic future investment initiative in riyadh, saudi arabia. the united states is teaming up with the saudis to combat the financing of terrorism. an issue that is one of treasury secretary steven mnuchin's most important priorities. he gave me an update on the progress of this important fight. >> we're here to open the terrorist financing targeting center, which this is something we sign a memoranda of understanding when the president was here. it's one of my single most important priorities, as you know, to fight terrorist financing and thrilled to be here in saudi. i looked at the three buildings today, they're ready to be open, and launching center the here with saudi co-chairing it with us. we'll be coming out with new
sanctions this afternoon on a joint basis and something we're very proud of moving forward with. maria: how do you do that, secretary? we were talking earlier with people in the crown prince's office and he is apparently looking to, right now, apparently extremists represent 20% of saudi, he said, and they want to get that down to 5% in the next two to three years. how specifically are you going to stop out extremists and terrorists with the center? >> i know they have a plan for that, there's a plan on promoting more moderate ideas, which is something we very much support. what the terrorists financing center is about, finding people who are using the financial system to fund terrorism and terrorist activities. and we have our intelligence agencies working together and this is a multicountry approach. so the first time we'll have multicountries here in the gulf doing sanctions with us, and as you know, we think this is very
effective. it's the reason why iran came to the table to negotiate the j.c. poa, the president thinks we need a better deal. but these sanctions work and they're a terrific economic tool to combat terrorism. maria: we have not seen a president be as tough against iran as we have seen president trump be, and i think that's probably one of the things that the saudis and the u.s. agree on, the enemies are on? >> the president is very concerned about north korea and iran, that is a big focus of ours. >> that was u.s. treasury secretary steven mnuchin. my thanks to the secretary. next here scheduled initial public offering for saudi aramco could be the largest ipo ever at $100 billion. a hot topic at the future investment initiative in riyadh. it is sought by every major exchange in the world including the new york stock exchange, i
sat down with nyse president tom farley who wants that listing. >> see me in the halls at the new york stock exchange, everyone assumes my relationship is solely about the aramco ipo. i've known from the minister level to the company saudi aramco company many years along before the ipo was a notion. new york stock exchange is ownered by the largest energy exchange in the world, i'm one of the managers of that business. regarding the ipo, we'll compete for any ipo of a great global business, i can't say too much about saudi aramco in particular other than anyone you meet from the company and the ministry. i know you met several of them this week, they're professional, sophisticated, and no surprise, they're carrying out a very disciplined due diligence process to make the right decision for saudi arabia as a whole. maria: you think you're going to get the deal? >> i'm not going to comment in particular. i don't want to prejudice any decision they make. for any great global ipo, we
want them to make the right decision for them. we don't want to corner them into making something we think is the right decision. there is something like 34 trillion of market cap. next closest exchange is a tiny, tiny fraction of that. in terms of the deepest liquidity in the world, that's in the united states, brand name, you get that from the new york stock exchange, it's also a rigorous governance test to be listed on the new york stock exchange. if you list, there you're holding yourself out to be a well-run, well-governed company. that's the decision criteria, the benefits the new york stock exchange brings, i have no doubt other exchanges have unique benefits as well. maria: are you seeing global companies relative to the u.s.? the truth is there are a lot of start-ups saying i don't want to go public, the regulatory environment is too tight. that's why there was a problem, people were wondering why the ipo market is not busier this year, start-ups are not going public? >> i'm glad you asked.
that the american audience likes to make a story not as many american tech companies are going public. that's true. some of the great american tech companies have chosen to stay private. last week alone, we had a young man who provided a company to allow for consumer lending in china. that company is worth over $10 billion. an amazing tech story. the friday company offers gaming, e-commerce and payments from singapore. we don't talk about it much because it's not american. these are great tech companies choosing to go public, choosing the new york stock exchange, fortunately, i'm appreciative they did choose the new york stock exchange. maria: listed companies in the u.s. down 50% over 20 years because of the regulatory environment. the president has said he is calling for ipo's, the bar to be lowered. the treasury came out with a report, saying the regulatory environment is way too hard for companies to go public. what are doug in terms of lowering the bar, lowering the
standard, making it easier for companies to go public? >> you are referring to a press report that came out. if you work your way down the press report, the next paragraph starts with the efforts the new york stock exchange and i personally have engaged in to push the administration to make it easier to engage in ipos. you mention the number of public companies. it is down by about half. average market cap is up three times, the aggregate market cap. the average company is five or six times bigger. it's not working well for small companies and need to acknowledge it. small companies are the lifeblood to free enterprise. maria: what can you do it get more small companies to go public? >> simple things. the pendulum swung too far. with dodd-frank, big companies can handle, it small companies can't. you can say small companies meet more with investors and analysts. not require external audit for
the first few years, and extend that to not only the tiniest ones and have it all new companies that are new to the public market. maria: it is unclear whether saudi aramco will list in new york at the new york stock exchange given recent legislation which allows the families of none of suit saudi government. many people expect lawsuits should a big listing happen. my thanks to new york stock exchange president tom farley. don't go anywhere, more "wall street week" right after this. announcer: coming up, saudi's crown prince has ambitious plan to bring country into the future that includes half trillion dollar city and massive social reforms. [ phone rings ] hi, tom. hey, how's the college visit? you remembered. it's good. does it make the short list? you remembered that too. yeah, i'm afraid so. knowing what's important to you... it's okay. this is what we've been planning for.
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tag of more than a half a trillion dollars, saudi arabia is investing heavily on a future that is not about oil. at the future investment initiative in saudi arabia, i spoke with his royal highness prince muhammad bin salman alsaad, it was clear more big changes are on the way for saudi arabia. >> your highness, you have an incredibly beautiful country. you have the resources, but you are having radical ideas, some might say. recently you've announced you will soon allow women to drive. you are allowing foreign investment in your beautiful country. why now? what triggered this change in thinking? >> first of all, i don't want to get out of this topic and discuss politics outside of the scope of today, but i'll just be very brief. saudi arabia was not like this prior to '79.
saudi arabia and the entire region, you have the awakening project spread after '79 for many reasons. today is not the right day to discuss them. we were not like this in the past. we only want to go back to what we were, the moderate islam that is open to the world, open to all the religions. [applause] >> 70% of the saudi people are less than 30 years old, and quite frankly, we will not waste 30 years of our lives in dealing with extremist ideas. we will destroy them today. [applause] >> we want to live a normal life, a life that translates our moderate religion, our good
customs. we coexist and live with the world and contribute to the development of our country and the world. this is something that there are steps that i've taken, we've taken in the past that are clear. i believe that we will eradicate the rest of extremism very soon. so i don't think this is a real challenge because we represent the moderate teaching and principles of islam. and we have the right. right is on our side and everything that we deal with. so i don't think we're concerned. [ applause ] >> your highness, i feel if you are not using artificial intelligence you will get left behind. this is an area you want very strongly in niam? >> undoubtedly, world is not going to wait for somebody to catch up. you have to be part of making the development, the new development in the world. as we mentioned at the beginning, the city will be built on the newest of technologies of today, the
opportunity is unimaginable, a region that is almost vacant. there are many dreams from the saudi leadership, many of the saudis and many of our partners and of the large companies, are individuals. thousands of dreams that will be established in neom and the building of neom. everybody can imagine how the shape of the city, the zone, the infrastructure, the sectors, if you start from scratch, and you deal away and forget about the conventional cities. many things could happen. this what we're trying to create in neom. maria: you can understand some people looking at your ambitious plans and saying, wait a minute, what is this all about? the kingdom of saudi arabia investing in solar?
>> we know the demand is not only in energy, many of the other sectors use oil like petrochemical and many other sectors. we believe the demand for energy will increase dramatically in the future, so we don't think it will decrease, the demand for oil. it will increase between 230 to 2040, and it will not immediately collapse after that, so we could look at the conventional source of energy before oil, which is coal. if we look at the index for demand for oil, for coal, it's still on the highest pace, so the use of solar energy does not mean it will negatively affect oil. we will present many numbers in the future in this regard. maria: our thanks to the crown prince for hosting us at the event. don't go anywhere, more "wall street week" right after this.
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. maria: welcome back to "wall street week," i'm maria bartiromo. all this hour, we're bringing you the biggest highlights from the future investment initiative in riyadh, saudi arabia. a lot going on. saudi arabia is committing to the future and making a major infrastructure push while trying to stomp out terrorism. the country's public investment fund is contributing billions to the blackstone group in this effort on infrastructure. i spoke with blackstone ceo steve schwarzman about the fund and the need to improve infrastructure across the world. >> we've announced that we're planning on raising a $40
billion fund. we can't comment on fund-raising because the sec makes us unable to do that, but the purpose of the fund, of course, is to put most of this money in the united states, and there are different types of infrastructure that we could be facilitating and could be that the united states at some point will be making improvements, in terms of approvals, to do infrastructure projects. when the government's building thing, anything that touches the government, in the united states takes somewhere between 10 and 15 years to get approved on average. if you're doing the same type of project in germany or canada, it takes two years. maria: wow, is that right? that short a time frame? >> i would say we have a long way to go as a country to make ourselves as efficient as other major countries which themselves are concerned about environmental issues as well.
maria: yeah, so where do you see the big opportunities? the president has talked about an infrastructure plan, obviously, he wants to put an infrastructure plan in place, got to get through tax reform first. are you talking about bridges, highways, all of the above, what are the opportunities? . >> the opportunities are in the private sector because you don't need these enormous approvals. some for pipelines. other types of energy things. power plants, utilities, telecom, there are a variety of things that you can do where virtually all of the moneys that we raise can be deployed. there's a bonus, if you will, if the government can reform, and i think politically the democrats are very in favor of expanding the infrastructure spin. i think their chances to have
public-private partnerships where governmental units that have assets with cash flow sell those assets, federal government adds a bonus payment to encourage them, then the money is reinvested to build more infrastructure in that community. for example, things like roads, bridges and other things that need to be improved. maria: so you're looking largely at the u.s. in terms of this infrastructure because i know here, you know, the crown prince yesterday was talking about this new city they're developing, neom, from the ground up, and they're going to need everything. there is that opportunity as well. how much of the fund will be u.s. versus international? >> well, the u.s., this fund will be primarily u.s. >> right. >> with the ability to do some outside the u.s. but it's being raised and is geared for the u.s. >> steve, let me ask you about the broader company. obviously, the blackstone group has been incredibly successful. you are the largest alternative investment manager.
almost $400 billion in asset management. congratulations. where are you seeing the opportunities for the next five years? >> well, we're seeing a lot of opportunity all over. what we're doing as a firm is we have been in the highest performing products in the world, whether it's private equity, whether it's real estate. whether it's rescue lending, and what we've learned is that investors want different levels of return, some want less risk, less return, and so we're finding that we can now create products that for the average investor gives them a 7 to 8% return, and that's a potentially very large market. maria: in terms of looking at, you know, the segments that you find growth. do you find that you want to be even more so in real estate, the retail sector?
where do you think at this point represents value? >> well, value is different than us expanding the firm. maria: true. >> i thought you were talking about where is blackstone going? so blackstone has very substantial white space to grow the firm, as we go to different types of investors. now this involves going to retail investors as well as institutions. in terms of asset classes, prices are higher now than they used to be. maria: yeah. >> but the economies of the world are all expanding. it's one of the few times where everything is going well. maria: that was the chairman, founder and ceo of the blackstone group, steve schwarzman. more "wall street week" right after this break.. announcer: tech billionaire and trump supporter peter thiel is going all in on saudi arabia.
highness prince muhammad bin salman is building for a reported price tag of half a billion dollars. >> one thing we've been talking about here is what his highness is doing with neom and all of the technology that is going to be in this new city of the future where. do you see the opportunities in terms of starting from scratch, when you have a city, what kind of technologies are going to be most needed? >> well, there's a tremendous amount that one can do when one starts something new from scratch, because one thing that's very striking about the great cities of the world, like london, new york, you know, silicon valley, many other places, is that even though there is this incredibly dynamic economic places, it's extremely hard to change things, and so new york city it costs a billion dollars to build one mile of subway or something like that. maria: wow. >> in san francisco, you can't
build new highways or anything new, the transportation grid is set. so there is this very weird transportation problem with the big cities where in effect becomes incredibly hard to build new transportation once the basic city's been built. it's the transportation systems are inadequate and badly inadequate in all of our major cities, even in the developed world, the emerging world are catastrophic, in the developed world they are inadequate. it means people have super long commutes or need to live in small apartments near the city center where they have to spend all their salaries on the apartments. so i think it distorts the economics in the cities to a tremendous degree. in london, the inelasticity of housing is minus 2. if you built 1% more housing in london, the average price of
the average house would go down 2%, which is a crazy economic reality. more housing you build, the less the housing is collectively worth. that tells you that's because the transportation systems are in the 19th century and it's completely stuck, and that's a challenge they think you could rethink in a very exciting way, and so i wonder if one could do something to build a potentially enormous city but one where the transportation works at every level. maria: peter, let's talk about artificial intelligence. we've talked a lot about it this week, and people are worried that the more a.i. and machine learning you have in a situation, the fewer jobs you have. are robots going to be taking our jobs? >> well, one of the things -- i'm always nervous about the abstractions, a.i. is one of the greatest abstractions of all. artificial intelligence can mean the next generation of computers or the last generation of computers or
anything in between. a little bit in the future or far in the future. if you had generalized artificial intelligence, where you had a computer that was smarter and more able in every way possible, the problem with that is not economic but political. it would be like an alien from another planet landing and the question if aliens landed on earth would not be, what does this mean for the employment rate are? they friendly? unfriendly? things like that. maria: good point. >> to the extent the economic question is serious, it's much more the political question. now the history, of course, of technology has not been one of pure substitution, it's been more complementary, as we've automated things in the industrial revolution, you know, it's freed people to be more efficient and other things, and people are still mostly employed in our society, just as they were mostly employed 200 years ago, not all
in agriculture, not all working in factories, as agriculture, and industry were automated as you had robots replace humans in factories, it freed people up to do other things. that's been the history. and i tend to think that's still what will happen that a.i. will make certain sectors more efficient and free people up to do other things. it's mainly a game of complementarity, a game of substitution only at the end if you have an a.i. that can do everything better, smarter and cheaper than any human being, and that would be very scary, that's where my intuitions would start to break down. maria: what do you think the skill sets are that people need to not just survive but thrive in this new world of machine learning? >> well, you know, it's always get asked these questions by young people, what should i be studying. maria: studying, right? >> and i think -- i think --
it's hard to give general answers, but i think it's always good to start with things where you're not competing directly with computers, where you still maybe have some real skill, where you're thinking very hard about the future about your place in it, and so you should be asking critical questions. and the default of our colleges and the school systems is to tell people they don't need to ask those questions. if you get a college diploma, you will be saved, everything will be fine. i think that's not true. so i think this is very difficult. i think people should be asking these questions much earlier because the universities do not have an answer. maria: so you say something that you don't compete with the computer, i feel like i'm competing with the computer on everything. are you talking about emotional things? >> maria, you're in one of the safest positions possible, you're not competing with a computer. maria: okay. >> if we got the computer that
looked just like you, that could do your job as well as you could, everybody in this room would be out of business well before you. you are the last person in this entire room who has to compete with a computer. maria: i want to ask you about cybersecurity, pallantier has incredible relationships across the world and government, and you've done a lot of work about cybersecurity. tell us where the bad actors are, what can we do to protect ourselves in the new world where we feel everyone is getting hacked and data is so much more powerful? >> there's a tremendous amount we can do in combining computers with humans, and a lot of the approaches in crime, defense, areas like this, and security, we either have all human solutions or all computer solutions.
and i think the truth is that -- that there's a lot to be done with these intermediate hybrid solutions, what we did at paypal and paliantier is figure out good labor between analysts and automated divisions, if you get the division of labor right, you can do a lot. we had fraud at paypal, going back a while. we had a human team, and it was like looking for needles in a haystack, millions of transactions, couldn't figure out which was fraudulent. the old computer model wouldn't figure out the new ones. it's when we figured out a way to divide the labor between the human investigators and the automated computer part that you really got a handle on it. so i think this hybrid human computer synergy theme is underrated because we either want total automation or no computers at all, and i think
the in between thing needs to be explored a lot more. that's what paliantier has done. maria: are the bad actors an obvious group? where are they? >> i don't think it's an obvious group. we would have probably tracked them down. one of the challenges with cybersecurity is that it's -- there is something about it where it's very asymmetric. in most forms of defense, military technologies, the defense side is pretty good. but in cybersecurity, it's very hard to defend. it's very easy to attack, and so if you have something where it's incredibly easy to attack, incredibly hard to defend, that creates some very unusual challenges, and i think we haven't quite figured out what to do about them, we certainly
are not able to defend as well as we can, we're not willing to take the precautions that are needed and it really calls out for some big -- a lot more work in the decade ahead. people's intuitions are shaped by their everyday experience where there's more of a balance between attack and defense. in the world of cyber, there's no balance at all. attack is super easy, defense is super hard. maria: my thanks to peter thiel. don't go anywhere, more "wall street week" after this. announcer: the carlyle group has been a wall street powerhouse for decades, why is the iconic founder stepping down now? he explains next, when "wall he explains next, when "wall street wee achoo! (snap) achoo! (snap) achoo! achoo! (snap) (snap) achoo! achoo! feel a cold coming on? zicam cold remedy nasal swabs shorten colds with a snap, and reduce symptom severity by 45%. shorten your cold with a snap, with zicam.
. maria: private equity executive david rubenstein surprised the financial world in october when he announced he would be stepping down as co-ceo of the private equity firm he founded carlyle group. we spoke to him in riyadh and more importantly why now. >> my partners and i, the founders decided we're going to have a new generation running the firm as of january 1 and we're very excited about it. maria: tell me the role you'll continue to have? obviously, you're still a major shareholder and you'll be watching. >> i will be the co-executive chair with bill conway, still involved in fund-raising and public presence for the firm and as a large investor in the firm's funds and interested how the firm does, but i'm not going away, i'll be involved in a different role. maria: how do you want to see the investments change or look different? obviously the firm has been so diversified from energy to getty to hertz and beats electronics, how do you want to see the investments change or
diversify going forward? >> we want to make sure we're at the cutting edge of investments. so we have made investments in a number of areas that are cutting edge, beats is one that is considered unusual for us, but turned out to be a good investment. we want to be around the world investing. credit as well as private equity and funding investments and energy and real estate. maria: where do you see the growth in the world today? what are the attractive opportunities today? >> the real growth in the emerging markets, obviously. the emerging markets only get about 13% of all private equity dollars but 55% of the world's gdp. so 13% of the dollars and 55% of the world's gdp. private equity dollars will go more and more to the emerging markets. >> let me ask you about your thoughts about the impact of policy on washington. >> okay. maria: waiting on tax plan to get to the president's desk, obviously there is health care as well. what's your take on the
implications of a tax plan? >> i think it's likely there will be a tax bill passed by congress either this year or next. the house will pass it likely this year, i'm not sure the senate will get it done this year but it's possible. but i don't think there's much doubt that something will go through the house. senate will be more complicated. i think the president and the congress will give us a tax bill. maria: what are the implications? >> i think it's a tax cut on corporations to some extent and a cut on the middle class a bit. you will see more spending and more growth in the economy. maria: so you do think it will move the needle on economic growth, then? >> i think it will. i think economic growth will go up a bit and cost something to do this and we'll have to make it up in economic growth because the tax bill going to the house will probably increase the deficit by about $1.5 trillion. we'll have to make that up through additional tax revenues by higher growth. maria: do you think there are some areas of business that will benefit more so than others as a result of this tax plan? for example, you've got smaller
companies or the pass-through companies or the 25% rate, we think, 20% rate for corporations. who benefits? >> well, small businesses should benefit. that's the president's desire to have small businesses benefit. i've learned over many years in washington, you never know what's in a tax bill until it's final. and the lobbying is intense. we'll have to see the print to see who benefits the most? generally i think small business will benefit. maria: our thanks to carlyle group co-founder david rubenstein. that will do it for us. thank you very much for joining me for this special hour of "wall street week." catch the program every friday night, we have a huge lineup of guests planned for 2018. tune into mornings with maria every weekday for the biggest stories impacting you and the smartest conversation in the morning. that's right here on the fox business network. i hope it's a wonderful holiday season and new year for you and your entire family.
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pete: happy new year, everybody. >> trish: good morning 2018 is just around the corner and as the year winds down the chairman of the house intelligence committee is demanding answers on the anti-trump dossier and congressional leaders gear up for a wednesday meeting at the white house, we'll talk immigration and spending hi, everyone. i'm trish regan in for maria bartiromo and this is sunday morning futures happy new years eve. house intel chairman devon nunes hammering the justice department are they stonewalling on the anti-trump dossier? congressman ron desantis joins us live and the top white house officials talk on spending and immigration is a deal on daca in the cards?